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Law enforcement experts weigh in on shooting that left suspect dead, officer injured in Des Moines

Law enforcement experts weigh in on shooting that left suspect dead, officer injured in Des Moines
THAT鈥橲 COMING UP IN A LITTLE BIT, BEN. OKAY, ANNE. THANK YOU. AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE鈥橰E CONTINUING TO FOLLOW THE SHOOTING OF A DES MOINES POLICE OFFICER BY FRIENDLY FIRE. THE SHOOTING HAPPENED AS BOTH OFFICERS WERE RESPONDING TO A CALL EARLY THIS MORNING. WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE OFFICER WHO WAS SHOT WAS SHOT THROUGH THE CHEST. HE鈥橲 IN SERIOUS CONDITION BUT IS EXPECTED TO SURVIVE HIS INJURIES. THE OTHER OFFICER IS ON PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE AS THE IOWA DIVISION OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INVESTIGATES. DES MOINES POLICE SAY OFFICERS FIRED A SUSPECT OR FIRED AFTER A SUSPECT WAS SEEN HOLDING A GUN. THAT SUSPECT WAS KILLED. WE HAVE TEAM COVERAGE FOR YOU TONIGHT AS WE DIG DEEPER INTO WHAT HAPPENED. THIS MORNING. 糖心vlog鈥橲 OPHELIA JACOBSON IS LIVE AT THE DES MOINES POLICE DEPARTMENT. OPHELIA, THIS IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION. YES. STACY AND BEN, IT REALLY IS. THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. WE STILL DON鈥橳 KNOW THE NAME OF THE SUSPECT, NOR DO WE KNOW THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THIS SHOOTING. THE IOWA DIVISION OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION SAYS THEY鈥橰E WORKING WITH THE DES MOINES POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE INVESTIGATION, OFFICERS ACTED IN THE MOMENT WITHIN WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THE BEST FOR THE SITUATION. SPECIAL AGENT ADAM DECAMP SAYS THE IOWA DIVISION OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS INVESTIGATING A SHOOTING THAT LEFT ONE SUSPECT DEAD AND A DES MOINES POLICE OFFICER SERIOUSLY INJURED. THE OFFICER WAS ACCIDENTALLY WOUNDED BY FRIENDLY FIRE. DECAMP SAYS THEY鈥橰E GATHERING EVIDENCE. ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS INJURED IN THIS. WE HAVEN鈥橳 HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH HIM, SO IT鈥橲 GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE WE CAN REALLY RELEASE A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHOOTING, DECAMP SAYS. IT鈥橲 NOT REQUIRED. THE DCI INVESTIGATES CASES LIKE THIS, HE SAYS. DES MOINES POLICE REQUESTED THE INVESTIGATION. I BELIEVE IT SPEAKS TO THE TRANSPARENCY THAT THE DES MOINES POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO PROVIDE IN THIS SITUATION. ANY TIME A POLICE OFFICER GETS INJURED IN THE LINE OF DUTY, IT鈥橲 IT鈥橲 A TRAGIC EVENT. WILLIAM MULDER SERVED AS DES MOINES POLICE CHIEF FOR 18 YEARS. HE SAYS AN OFFICER BEING SHOT BY ANOTHER OFFICER IS RARE. THOSE ARE SUCH CHAOTIC SITUATIONS THAT YOU GET TUNNEL VISION AND YOU ONLY SEE THE BAD GUY AND YOU REALLY ARE NOT COGNIZANT OF MUCH ELSE, MULDER SAYS. OFFICERS SPEND MORE TIME ON FIREARMS TRAINING THAN ANYTHING ELSE. HE SAYS MENTAL HEALTH WILL BE IMPORTANT. FOLLOWING THE SHOOTING. THE OFFICER THAT DID THE THE SHOOTING AND HIT THE SECOND OFFICER IS GOING TO BE REALLY REMORSEFUL ABOUT IT. THE POLK COUNTY ATTORNEY鈥橲 OFFICE AND THE IOWA ATTORNEY GENERAL鈥橲 OFFICE WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE CASE. PROSECUTORS SAY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL鈥橲 OFFICE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THE OFFICER ACTED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OF THE LAW OF IOWA, PERTAINED TO POLICE OFFICERS. AND I DID ASK THE DCI IF THE SUSPECT FIRED ANY SHOTS THIS MORNING. THEY SAY THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THEY WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT. LIVE IN DOWNTOWN DES MOINES. OPHELI
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Law enforcement experts weigh in on shooting that left suspect dead, officer injured in Des Moines
A Des Moines police officer is recovering after being seriously injured when he was struck by a colleague's bullet during an apparent shootout with a suspect Tuesday morning.糖心vlog reached out to several law enforcement experts to learn what the officers involved in Tuesday's shooting may be going through and how the community can help support them.We also spoke with a former Polk County prosecutor who has expertise with domestic violence cases and the dangers officers face when responding to these calls. Former DMPD police chief reacts to shootingFormer Des Moines Police Chief William Moulder said Tuesday morning's shooting is a "tragic event."Moulder served as chief of the department for 18 years, from 1984 to 2003. He said during his time there, something like this never happened. He said an officer being shot by another officer is rare."Those are such chaotic situations, and you get tunnel vision," Moulder said. "You only see the bad guy and you really are not cognizant of much else."He said officers spend more time on firearms training than anything else. Moulder said mental health will be important following the shooting."The officer that did the shooting and hit the second officer is going to be really remorseful about it," the former chief said.Iowa DCI special agent says it will 'be awhile' before more details are releasedThe Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation is investigating the early Tuesday morning shooting that left one suspect dead and another officer seriously injured. According to police, the officer was wounded by friendly fire.Special agent Adam DeCamp said the Iowa DCI is currently working on gathering facts and evidence. He said they're looking at bodycam footage, speaking with witnesses and looking at the weapons used."One of the officers was injured and we haven't had an opportunity to talk with them," DeCamp said. "It's going to be a while before we can really release a lot of new information about this shooting."DeCamp said it's not required the DCI investigate cases like this. He said the Des Moines Police requested the investigation."I believe that speaks to the transparency that the Des Moines Police Department is trying to provide in this situation," he said.The Polk County Attorney's Office and the Iowa Attorney General's Office will be involved in the case. DeCamp said they can make a determination on whether the officer acted within the scope of the law of Iowa pertaining to police officers.Former DMPD officer offers perspectiveTuesday morning's shooting instilled an array of emotions for Iowans, especially current and former members of law enforcement. Dave Murillo is a former Des Moines Police sergeant who served in the department for years. He retired in 2013. He says Tuesday morning, just like any morning something distressing happened to a member of law enforcement, is a terrifying feeling. "Your heart just goes up into your throat anytime you hear a police officer has been shot," said Murillo. "Your first reaction is 'Oh my God' and then you hope the officers are OK."Murillo tells 糖心vlog situations like Tuesday morning are high-stress, high-emotion, and adrenaline-charged moments. During those kinds of moments, the former sergeant says there are times members of law enforcement can't control what they're sent there to control. "I was one of the first officers on scene of the Drake Diner homicides. There's officers converging onto that diner from all different directions," recalled Murillo. "We're all coming in from different directions. What if that suspect鈥攚hat if we could've caught him in the parking lot and gunfire would have happened? Crossfire. Those situations happen." Murillo tells 糖心vlog, what helps following situations like this is letting members of law enforcement know they're supported and loved by the community they serve. "They have a very dangerous鈥攕ometimes thankless鈥攋ob to do," said Murillo. "When these sorts of things happen, the best thing the public can do is get on Facebook--Des Moines Police have a Facebook page鈥攁nd let them officers know how much you appreciate what they do." 鈥嬧 Experts emphasize the dangers of domestic callsThe incident Tuesday highlighted a risk experts in law enforcement and domestic disputes said is an ever-present danger.Iowa Law Enforcement Academy Director Brady Carney said responding on calls relating to domestic disturbances are some of the most dangerous an officer may face. The potential for violence is often difficult to gauge without context to the situation."Domestic incidents involve a variety of factors that law enforcement has to take into account, and many times they don't know those factors until their arrival," Carney said. "A lot of times (during domestic call responses), there's emotion, there's trauma, there's a relationship that's been established that's involved in family dynamics. So, when you when you add those factors to these calls for service, that just adds to the level of uncertainty, and many times danger, that law enforcement has to deal with in their response."However, Carney said preparing officers in training to handle the complexities of a domestic call can be difficult."All of those things are not easily replicated in the training world, those are a case-by-case scenario that officers have to evaluate and take in so many different factors to process and work through every call for service," he said. "We try to cover as many of those as we can in training environments, but it's so hard to replicate real life."While most calls do not result in gunfire, Carney said uncertainty leaves the potential for officers to be injured. "When we train law enforcement officers, we tell them that this is the most dangerous call that they will be dispatched to," Iowa Assistant Attorney General Shannon Archer said of domestic disturbance calls. To experts in the field, like Archer, a former Polk County domestic abuse prosecutor, the result is sad to see -- but not surprising."Once an offender or someone who is a domestic abuser loses that control, it can be even dangerous, not only for their victim but for others who are around in that situation," she said. More coverage of the deadly shootingDes Moines shooting: Suspect dead, officer accidentally wounded by friendly fire

A Des Moines police officer is recovering after being seriously injured when he was struck by a colleague's bullet during an apparent shootout with a suspect Tuesday morning.

糖心vlog reached out to several law enforcement experts to learn what the officers involved in Tuesday's shooting may be going through and how the community can help support them.

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We also spoke with a former Polk County prosecutor who has expertise with domestic violence cases and the dangers officers face when responding to these calls.

Former DMPD police chief reacts to shooting

Former Des Moines Police Chief William Moulder said Tuesday morning's shooting is a "tragic event."

Moulder served as chief of the department for 18 years, from 1984 to 2003. He said during his time there, something like this never happened. He said an officer being shot by another officer is rare.

"Those are such chaotic situations, and you get tunnel vision," Moulder said. "You only see the bad guy and you really are not cognizant of much else."

He said officers spend more time on firearms training than anything else. Moulder said mental health will be important following the shooting.

"The officer that did the shooting and hit the second officer is going to be really remorseful about it," the former chief said.

Iowa DCI special agent says it will 'be awhile' before more details are released

The Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation is investigating the early Tuesday morning shooting that left one suspect dead and another officer seriously injured. According to police, the officer was wounded by friendly fire.

Special agent Adam DeCamp said the Iowa DCI is currently working on gathering facts and evidence. He said they're looking at bodycam footage, speaking with witnesses and looking at the weapons used.

"One of the officers was injured and we haven't had an opportunity to talk with them," DeCamp said. "It's going to be a while before we can really release a lot of new information about this shooting."

DeCamp said it's not required the DCI investigate cases like this. He said the Des Moines Police requested the investigation.

"I believe that speaks to the transparency that the Des Moines Police Department is trying to provide in this situation," he said.

The Polk County Attorney's Office and the Iowa Attorney General's Office will be involved in the case. DeCamp said they can make a determination on whether the officer acted within the scope of the law of Iowa pertaining to police officers.

Former DMPD officer offers perspective

Tuesday morning's shooting instilled an array of emotions for Iowans, especially current and former members of law enforcement.

Dave Murillo is a former Des Moines Police sergeant who served in the department for years. He retired in 2013. He says Tuesday morning, just like any morning something distressing happened to a member of law enforcement, is a terrifying feeling.

"Your heart just goes up into your throat anytime you hear a police officer has been shot," said Murillo. "Your first reaction is 'Oh my God' and then you hope the officers are OK."

Murillo tells 糖心vlog situations like Tuesday morning are high-stress, high-emotion, and adrenaline-charged moments.

During those kinds of moments, the former sergeant says there are times members of law enforcement can't control what they're sent there to control.

"I was one of the first officers on scene of the Drake Diner homicides. There's officers converging onto that diner from all different directions," recalled Murillo. "We're all coming in from different directions. What if that suspect鈥攚hat if we could've caught him in the parking lot and gunfire would have happened? Crossfire. Those situations happen."

Murillo tells 糖心vlog, what helps following situations like this is letting members of law enforcement know they're supported and loved by the community they serve.

"They have a very dangerous鈥攕ometimes thankless鈥攋ob to do," said Murillo. "When these sorts of things happen, the best thing the public can do is get on Facebook--Des Moines Police have a Facebook page鈥攁nd let them officers know how much you appreciate what they do." 鈥嬧

Experts emphasize the dangers of domestic calls

The incident Tuesday highlighted a risk experts in law enforcement and domestic disputes said is an ever-present danger.

Iowa Law Enforcement Academy Director Brady Carney said responding on calls relating to domestic disturbances are some of the most dangerous an officer may face. The potential for violence is often difficult to gauge without context to the situation.

"Domestic incidents involve a variety of factors that law enforcement has to take into account, and many times they don't know those factors until their arrival," Carney said. "A lot of times (during domestic call responses), there's emotion, there's trauma, there's a relationship that's been established that's involved in family dynamics. So, when you when you add those factors to these calls for service, that just adds to the level of uncertainty, and many times danger, that law enforcement has to deal with in their response."

However, Carney said preparing officers in training to handle the complexities of a domestic call can be difficult.

"All of those things are not easily replicated in the training world, those are a case-by-case scenario that officers have to evaluate and take in so many different factors to process and work through every call for service," he said. "We try to cover as many of those as we can in training environments, but it's so hard to replicate real life."

While most calls do not result in gunfire, Carney said uncertainty leaves the potential for officers to be injured.

"When we train law enforcement officers, we tell them that this is the most dangerous call that they will be dispatched to," Iowa Assistant Attorney General Shannon Archer said of domestic disturbance calls.

To experts in the field, like Archer, a former Polk County domestic abuse prosecutor, the result is sad to see -- but not surprising.

"Once an offender or someone who is a domestic abuser loses that control, it can be even dangerous, not only for their victim but for others who are around in that situation," she said.

More coverage of the deadly shooting

Des Moines shooting: Suspect dead, officer accidentally wounded by friendly fire