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Judge denies request to unseal Ghislaine Maxwell grand jury transcripts

Judge denies request to unseal Ghislaine Maxwell grand jury transcripts
MATT. THANK YOU. 643 NOW TO THE LEGAL LANDSCAPE. OUR LEGAL ANALYST, ATTORNEY DAN ADAMS, JOINS US EVERY MONDAY BREAKING DOWN THE BIGGEST CASES HAPPENING ACROSS WISCONSIN AND THE COUNTRY. GOOD MORNING DAN. LET’S START WITH THE NATIONAL POLITICAL CONVERSATION, WHICH CONTINUES TO REVOLVE AROUND THE SO-CALLED EPSTEIN FILES. THIS WEEK, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL WENT TO INTERVIEW EPSTEIN’S CO-ACTOR GHISLAINE MAXWELL. IT’S BEEN REPORTED THAT SHE HAS BEEN GRANTED LIMITED IMMUNITY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT LIMITED IMMUNITY MEANS? SURE. YEAH. AND GOOD MORNING. IT’S REALLY UNUSUAL TO HAVE THE NUMBER TWO PERSON AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW MANY RESPONSIBILITIES THIS PERSON HAS TO ADMINISTER THE OFFICE. HIS NAME IS TODD BLANCHE. A FUN FACT, HE WENT TO BELOIT COLLEGE FOR SOME TIME, SO HE HAS A LOCAL TIE TO WISCONSIN. BUT HE WENT TO SEE GHISLAINE MAXWELL. THIS WAS EPSTEIN’S NUMBER TWO PERSON COHORT OF THE PERSON WHO ORGANIZED BASICALLY THIS TRAFFICKING RING FOR DECADES. WENT TO SEE HER IN FEDERAL PRISON TO DO WHAT’S CALLED A DEBRIEF. FANCY WORD OF JUST LEARNING WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY, WHETHER SHE HAS INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT FINDS USEFUL AND IS WILLING TO GIVE SOME VALUE FOR. THIS ISN’T UNUSUAL. TO HAVE A CONVICTED PERSON SAY, HEY, I, I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING GOING ON ON THE OUTSIDE. PEOPLE WHO CAN BE IMPLICATED FOR WRONGDOING AND TO SET UP A MEETING WITH THE GOVERNMENT. OF COURSE, AGAIN, IT’S VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE THE NUMBER TWO PERSON AT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE COME AND DO THAT DEBRIEFING PERSONALLY. USUALLY IT’S AN FBI AGENT, MAYBE A US ATTORNEY, AN ASSISTANT. SO THAT’S A LITTLE BIZARRE. IT’S ALSO BIZARRE THAT SHE’S DOING THIS AFTER TRIAL. REMEMBER SHE WAS CONVICTED. SHE WAS GIVEN A 20 YEAR SENTENCE. OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THAT, SHE WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND DEBRIEF BEFORE. BUT SHE WAS GIVEN THIS LIMITED IMMUNITY, WHICH IS NOT ANYTHING CRAZY. SHE’S NOT GETTING OUT FROM UNDER HER 20 YEAR SENTENCE. SHE WAS GIVEN THE IMMUNITY FOR THAT MEETING ONLY. AND THIS IS HAPPENS A LOT IN MEETINGS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEY WILL GIVE A LETTER, BASICALLY CALLED A PROFFER LETTER, WHICH SAYS ANYTHING YOU TELL US IN THIS MEETING CAN’T BE USED AGAINST YOU UNLESS YOU PERJURE YOURSELF, ESSENTIALLY. BUT IT’S A A FREE GO TO SAY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU KNOW THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO THE GOVERNMENT. AND THEY’LL LATER IF THEY THINK THAT INFORMATION IS USEFUL, FILE A MOTION WITH THE COURT AND AGREE THAT HER SENTENCE COULD BE MODIFIED DOWNWARD. YEAH, AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT THERE. ALSO RELATING TO THE EPSTEIN FILE CONTROVERSY. LAST WEEK, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SUED THE WALL STREET JOURNAL FOR DEFAMATION, CLAIMING THEIR ARTICLE ABOUT A PURPORTED 50TH BIRTHDAY MESSAGE WRITTEN WAS A FABRICATION. WHAT ELSE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS SUIT? WELL, IT’S A VERY AGGRESSIVE LAWSUIT, AND THERE’S KIND OF THIS LEGAL ODDITY. YOU KNOW, WE SEE THIS IN THE TRUMP ERA A LOT. WE KNOW. AND WE’VE TALKED ON THIS SEGMENT BEFORE, THAT PRESIDENTS CAN’T BE SUED CIVILLY. ANY PRESIDENT IN OFFICE, THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID, LISTEN, THEY CAN’T BE DISTRACTED. THEY CAN’T BE TIED UP IN LITIGATION. SO WE’RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO AFTER THEM CIVILLY. WELL, HERE TRUMP IS THE PLAINTIFF. SO HE BROUGHT THE LAWSUIT, WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION, WELL, NOW CAN HE BE COUNTERSUED IN IN DEFAMATION LAW, THERE’S SOMETHING CALLED AN ANTI-SLAPP STATUTE. AND IN FLORIDA LAW, WHICH HE’S BROUGHT THIS LAWSUIT UNDER, IT SAYS BASICALLY THAT INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITIES CAN’T BE HAVE THEIR FREE SPEECH STIFLED BY SOME TYPE OF VERY AGGRESSIVE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT. AND WHETHER OR NOT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL CAN BRING THAT TYPE OF COUNTER SUIT IS GOING TO BE THIS REALLY INTERESTING LEGAL QUESTION. BUT AS FOR TRUMP, HE’S SAYING, LISTEN, THERE WAS NO LETTER I DIDN’T FILE. I DIDN’T WRITE ANY LETTER TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN. AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL DIDN’T PROVIDE THAT IN THE PAPER. AND SO I THINK THERE WAS A THERE WAS A PUBLICATION. IT WAS FALSE, AND IT WAS DONE WITH MALICE TOWARD ME. IT WAS VERY AGGRESSIVE LAWSUIT FILED. WE’VE NEVER SEEN A PRESIDENT DO THIS PREVIOUSLY. SO IT OPENS SOME DOORS TO SOME SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, TO NEW LEGAL ASPECTS DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH, DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KEEP OUR EYE ON. DAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR Y
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Judge denies request to unseal Ghislaine Maxwell grand jury transcripts
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Updated: 9:18 AM CDT Aug 11, 2025
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Transcripts of the secret grand jury testimony that led to the sex trafficking indictment of Jeffrey Epstein’s former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell won’t be released, a judge decided Monday.Judge Paul A. Engelmayer said in a written ruling that the government had suggested that the materials could be released publicly “casually or promiscuously,” which would risk “unraveling the foundations of secrecy upon which the grand jury is premised” and eroding confidence by persons called to testify before future grand juries.“And it is no answer to argue that releasing the grand jury materials, because they are redundant of the evidence at Maxwell’s trial, would be innocuous. The same could be said for almost any grand jury testimony, by summary witnesses or others, given in support of charges that later proceeded to trial,” the judge added.Federal prosecutors had asked to unseal the documents, in an effort to calm a whirlpool of suspicions about what the government knows about Epstein, a well-connected financier who died behind bars while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. Maxwell, his socialite ex-girlfriend, was later convicted of helping him prey on underage girls.It’s unclear how much the transcripts would have revealed since the Justice Department has acknowledged they contained no testimony from witnesses who were not members of law enforcement.Prosecutors have said much of what was discussed behind the grand jury’s closed doors ultimately became public at Maxwell’s 2021 trial in 2021, in victims’ civil lawsuits or in public statements from victims and witnesses. The only grand jury witnesses were law enforcement officers.The decision about the grand jury transcripts doesn’t affect thousands of other pages that the government possesses but has declined to release. The Justice Department has said much of the material was court-sealed to protect victims and little of it would have come out if Epstein had gone to trial.Another federal judge still is weighing whether to release the transcripts from the grand jury testimony that led to Epstein’s indictment.A federal judge in Florida declined to release grand jury documents from an investigation there in 2005 and 2007.Some Epstein victims supported releasing the grand jury transcripts with some redactions. Other accusers said the debate over the material was causing them anguish.Maxwell, who’s appealing her conviction, opposed unsealing the documents. Her lawyers said she hasn’t seen them but believed they were full of questionable statements that her defense had no opportunity to challenge.Maxwell recently was interviewed by the Justice Department and was moved from a prison in Florida to a prison camp in Texas. Her attorney says she testified truthfully.The Epstein saga has again become a national flashpoint six years after authorities said the financier killed himself. The 66-year-old was facing federal sex trafficking charges involving dozens of teenage girls and young women, some as young as 14.Epstein already had served jail time and registered as a sex offender after pleading guilty to Florida prostitution offenses in a 2008 deal that let him avoid federal charges at the time.President Donald Trump later raised questions about Epstein’s death, and Trump allies stoked conspiracy theories that dark secrets were covered up to protect powerful people. Some of those allies got powerful positions in Trump’s Justice Department and promised to pull back the curtain on the Epstein investigation — but then announced this summer that nothing more would be released and that a long-rumored Epstein “client list” doesn’t exist.The about-face only amplified the clamor for transparency. After trying unsuccessfully to change the subject and denigrating his own supporters for not moving on, the president told Attorney General Pam Bondi to ask courts to unseal the grand jury transcripts.Meanwhile, the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed the Justice Department for files in the case. The committee also issued subpoenas to conduct sworn questioning of former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and eight former top law enforcement officials.Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was one of Epstein’s many famous former friends. So was Trump, a Republican. Both men have said they knew nothing of Epstein’s crimes until he was charged, and Epstein’s accusers have not alleged any wrongdoing by Trump or Clinton.

Transcripts of the secret grand jury testimony that led to the sex trafficking indictment of Jeffrey Epstein’s former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell won’t be released, a judge decided Monday.

Judge Paul A. Engelmayer said in a written ruling that the government had suggested that the materials could be released publicly “casually or promiscuously,” which would risk “unraveling the foundations of secrecy upon which the grand jury is premised” and eroding confidence by persons called to testify before future grand juries.

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“And it is no answer to argue that releasing the grand jury materials, because they are redundant of the evidence at Maxwell’s trial, would be innocuous. The same could be said for almost any grand jury testimony, by summary witnesses or others, given in support of charges that later proceeded to trial,” the judge added.

Federal prosecutors had asked to unseal the documents, in an effort to calm a whirlpool of suspicions about what the government knows about Epstein, a well-connected financier who died behind bars while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. Maxwell, his socialite ex-girlfriend, was later convicted of helping him prey on underage girls.

It’s unclear how much the transcripts would have revealed since the Justice Department has acknowledged they contained no testimony from witnesses who were not members of law enforcement.

Prosecutors have said much of what was discussed behind the grand jury’s closed doors ultimately became public at Maxwell’s 2021 trial in 2021, in victims’ civil lawsuits or in public statements from victims and witnesses. The only grand jury witnesses were law enforcement officers.

The decision about the grand jury transcripts doesn’t affect thousands of other pages that the government possesses but has declined to release. The Justice Department has said much of the material was court-sealed to protect victims and little of it would have come out if Epstein had gone to trial.

Another federal judge still is weighing whether to release the transcripts from the grand jury testimony that led to Epstein’s indictment.

A federal judge in Florida declined to release grand jury documents from an investigation there in 2005 and 2007.

Some Epstein victims supported releasing the grand jury transcripts with some redactions. Other accusers said the debate over the material was causing them anguish.

Maxwell, who’s appealing her conviction, opposed unsealing the documents. Her lawyers said she hasn’t seen them but believed they were full of questionable statements that her defense had no opportunity to challenge.

Maxwell recently was interviewed by the Justice Department and was moved from a prison in Florida to a prison camp in Texas. Her attorney says she testified truthfully.

The Epstein saga has again become a national flashpoint six years after authorities said the financier killed himself. The 66-year-old was facing federal sex trafficking charges involving dozens of teenage girls and young women, some as young as 14.

Epstein already had served jail time and registered as a sex offender after pleading guilty to Florida prostitution offenses in a 2008 deal that let him avoid federal charges at the time.

President Donald Trump later raised questions about Epstein’s death, and Trump allies stoked conspiracy theories that dark secrets were covered up to protect powerful people. Some of those allies got powerful positions in Trump’s Justice Department and promised to pull back the curtain on the Epstein investigation — but then announced this summer that nothing more would be released and that a long-rumored Epstein “client list” doesn’t exist.

The about-face only amplified the clamor for transparency. After trying unsuccessfully to change the subject and denigrating his own supporters for not moving on, the president told Attorney General Pam Bondi to ask courts to unseal the grand jury transcripts.

Meanwhile, the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed the Justice Department for files in the case. The committee also issued subpoenas to conduct sworn questioning of former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and eight former top law enforcement officials.

Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was one of Epstein’s many famous former friends. So was Trump, a Republican. Both men have said they knew nothing of Epstein’s crimes until he was charged, and Epstein’s accusers have not alleged any wrongdoing by Trump or Clinton.